As to blood splatter, at a far enough distance, a .22 isnt going to leave much blood splatter, and there probably wont be an exit wound, it will just bounce around the skull, and you dont have to make someone bleed to beat them, and several months in the elements is plenty of time to wash away some evidence as well, although luckily not all. She killed Joann, had a fair and impartial trial, so its time to get over it. Forensic Files didnt mention it, but the hairs were actually brown at the top and the rest dyed blond, according to the show Autopsy Six: A Fatal Attraction. I really never thought of it again.. A lot of these documentaries feature most of the theories suggested by the cops and prosecution which were most damaging to her case, but not a single person to substantiate Rorrers side, or to challenge their versions. She has always denied this allegation and says that both she and Lawrence Slaughter are innocent. Disagree with Shes extremely, extremely happy with the baby. This was a horrible and brutal double murder and whoever did it needs to be locked up forever. If I see anything that offers a differing opinion or is inaccurate, I think its entirely fair I should say my piece. The girls mother, Patricia Said, fled with both girls in the week before their killings because she was in great fear of her life, police said. She killed a mother and child and now has all of you eating out of the palm of her hand about how mistreated she has been. CHOOSE1s Three Strikes Reform Act needs 500,000 signatures by July 17 to make the November ballot, CHOOSE1 files new initiative to reform Californias Three Strikes law, The First Friday doc premieres this week at the New Parkway. They depict scenes which are pure speculation or exaggeration or present scenes, which in fact were only theories mentioned at her trial. Lieutenant Christopher Coble and Sergeant Suzanne Pearson would later testify that Patricia cried and apologized to 18-month-old Nicole, telling the baby, Im sorry for doing this to you and lamenting to the officers that she would never see little Nicole again. Andy passed not one but two polygraph tests and had a solid alibi. Patricia said she didn't have plans to attend Weinstein's trial since she was spending time with her 16-year-old daughter, Harlow, but praised Rosanna's "bravery." "Yaser Said, you're a devil. Patricia Prue had been planning to use an insanity defense if the case were to go to trial, but she asked the court in December if she could change her plea so she could begin corresponding with her husband once again. Sadly, those who defend Rorrer do not want to be confused by the truth. Nope. Patricia made daily phone calls every day but made no calls at all the day before, of and after Joannes murder as she was traveling and knew her phone could track her location. According to court papers from Patricia 2017 appeal, DNA on the cigarette butt found near the two bodies belonged to Appellant. (Prosecutor Michael McIntyre, however, told ForensicFilesNow.com that that the cigarette butt was never actually tested). "Clive was a skilful and inventive actor with wide experience, as his successful career proved," she said. But thats just some of the ammo on Team Patricias battleship. Then international law enforcement was contacted. Mark and Patricia McCloskey, the St. Louis couple that infamously pointed guns at demonstrators who were marching past their house last summer, have pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges in the incident. Interesting points thanks for writing in (and, yikes, those poor deer that starve to death). Are you even aware theres a strong suspicion that evidence of the hair, which was DNA matched to her, was tampered with? It showed her usually all-brown hair haphazardly highlighted blond. For one thing, her mother never asked Sandra Ireland to hide the gun, and she retrieved it on the way home the next day she worked as a bus driver and couldnt take it with her to school. Pat is locked in a cage because shes an animal. Rorrer killed two peoplea young mother and her small child and thru the justice system got what the bitch deserved! A few fries short of a Happy Meal, that one. Which, for this very reason, is at present being investigated by a federal judge? Yet, you have a story like Darlie Rutier who supposedly stabbed herself seriously enough that was centimeters from her carotid artery, yet this woman is in prison still? I just watched Reasonable Dont on this case. Combination locks. And your contention that you (me) as ONE person are wrong, let me say that while you seem to be determined in singling me out as someone whos opinion is one against the rest, is hopelessly exaggerated. She embraced spontaneity and diligence. Whatever the truth is. "So it was relieving to get guilty verdict and get justice for these girls.". All this talk about hairs and other DNA just seems to keep deflecting away from the gun itself. And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. It could be coincidence, but I really doubt it. Once, when a gun-wielding farmer and his buddy caught Patricia and Gary riding motorcycles on his field, Patricia walked up and got in their faces and argued, Gary recalled to the Morning Call. The phone wire was located at the opposite end of the basement, which was dark. Lawyers pleaded their cases in closing arguments to 12 jurors and three alternates for nearly two hours Tuesday morning. After the guilty verdict was pronounced, the defense learned that a report from a state psychologist was not given to the jury. Susan Wright is out of prison after killing her husband in TX. Its his hair (dirty blond and roughly 8 inches in length) that was found in Joanns hand. They told him that if he testified against his sister, Patricia, he would be able to get out of prison sooner. This article seems to have a great many errors and omissions, more by design, I fancy, than a need to tell the story objectively. In another peculiar turn of events, LAPD had failed to preserve the evidence when Jerome Scotts body was found two days after his murder. PS Speculative lies is meaningless. I also communicated with Patricia via email to get her input on some matters. Patricias accusers theorized that she resented Joanns domestic bliss with the tall, athletic Andrew Katrinak. Great catch. A man was convicted Thursday of helping to hide a brother who was accused of murdering his teenage daughters in Irving more than 12 years ago, the U.S. Attorneys Office announced. Why is this even a question, why people are trying to take out killers into society? The longer it took to find the bodies the easier it would be for her alibis to be believed as it wouldve been harder for people to remember if she was at a dance class etc that she regularly attended on that specific date. Well of course it is, so you overstated your opinion as though you know it to be fact, thus the jury and others were wrong; ironic because youre quick to complain that others are much to sure of *their* opinion shes guilty. We've received your submission. They did this case on Reasonable Doubt last night. Discuss and express opinion; stop short of asserting that those of the other view (that of judge and jury, at least) are ignorant of facts and wrong, and youre right, because by definition its reasonable for lay people to accept the jury verdict. Omg so well put! So, lets take your response one step at a time. A Pittsburgh-area woman missing for over 30 years and declared legally dead several years ago has been found alive in Puerto Rico, authorities in Pennsylvania said on Thursday. He said she did own a firearm, with its serial numbers filed off. And why would the judge not let the information about Jerome being a homosexual be known to the jury.. Patricia Wright is a prisoner in Central California Womens Facilitys Nursing Unit coping with an extraordinary array of challenges. On Aug. 31, 2011, at 11 a.m., Wrights family, the Action Committee for Women in Prison, and the FACTS community and supporters gathered in front of Gov. He was happy. Special prosecutor Patricia Brown Holmes said, even though her side didn't win any convictions, the case still helped make police more accountable. Andrew told investigators that the unpleasant phone call between Joann and Patricia happened just three days before his wifes disappearance. Yaser Said was sentenced to life in prison without parole for the murder of his two daughters Amina and Sarah Said in 2008. She just stayed in touch with everybody, Kathy Barber said in her interview on NBCs Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports in 2017. Weak wages. Its been going on for almost 31 years, the distraught man explained. All that remains is the conclusion of an appeal that Prue's husband Allen Prue has made to the Vermont Supreme Court following his October conviction in Jenkins' murder. Strands of the accuseds dyed-blond hair at two crime scenes proved it. Keep her murdering ass locked up!!! And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! But I suppose you havent a clue about that. Justice is about uncovering the truth. According to court documents, Patricia Owens, the victims mother and Saids former wife, told authorities that her son and Yaser Saids brothers indicated support for the killings and were not cooperative with law enforcement. which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory.. Yaser had been on the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list since 2014, according to CBS. (Ross Township Police Department). It seems so, according to you. Or did they? Everyone lies. If the answer is no, enough said! Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. His defenders claimed that the confession was coerced, the video was grainy/unclear or doctored and the witness was confused and/or unreliable. Media galore. Look into it. WebAmina and Sarah Said were murdered by their father Yaser Abdul Said an Egyptian immigrant on January 1st 2008. And then in their zealous efforts to show their ire, feel the need to suggest anyone who supports her is deluded. She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. Patricias professional life included short-lived gigs as a Century 21 real estate agent and an Oldsmobile salesperson. I am outraged at the rush to judgment displayed by the LAPD, wrote Michelle Alexander, civil rights attorney and author of the influential book, The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness, in a letter to Patricia. They returned with a guilty verdict and a sentence of two life terms. Mark and Patricia McCloskey, the St. Louis couple that infamously pointed guns at demonstrators who were marching past their house last summer, have pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges in the incident. Stop it.. Meanwhile, interest in Patricias plight continues on social media. They were telling the truth and revealing the type of person she was, a person that definitely would kill out of jealousy and revenge. The women testified last week. The woman who was showing the home alleged that Patricia was involved in the theft. For this week, I looked into the defenders reasoning as well as Patricias whereabouts today. "Justice would have been the Irving Police Department doing their job," defense attorney Joe Patton said during closing arguments. Is Dallas becoming unaffordable due to rising housing costs, inflation and stagnating pay? Microconidia DNA, as long as the strand is one inch long they can pull the DNA from that. I guess the investigators in Pennsylvania managed a quick resolve to a huge case that had a nations eyes scrutinizing their every move! Some two years into the investigation of Rorrer, a court order was obtained to remove hair specimens from her. I THINK THEY SHOULD REOPEN THIS CASE AND LOOK AT THE HUSBAND JUST SAYING BUT IN MY HEART AND MIND FROM READING ALL THE NOTES AND STUFF PATRICA IS NOT GUILTY AND THEY NEED TO SET HER FREE. Amina two bullets in the heart.". "We will never again know the joy and love we knew for 33 years," the letter stated. This story has been shared 114,982 times. She definitely did it. In summer, after thawing, there will be small animals eating the body and even turkey vultures, but not so much in the winter. He tried to claim someone else murdered them and that the night his daughters were killed someone was following them. He took two tests and there was deception detected in BOTH. The Egyptian-born taxicab driver was sought on capital murder charges since the New Years Day 2008 shootings of his two daughters, Sarah Yaser Said, 17, and Amina Yaser Said, 18, which have been described as honor killings.. Despite the fact it has never been proved thats exactly how it happened, it seems to be accepted as fact it could just as possibly have been the other way round, beaten and then shot. In 1981, Patricia Wrights second husband, Willie Jerome Scott, was found stabbed to death in his mobile home park in Los Angeles. I dont think so. I think Patricias defenders are implying the hair came from some unknown person. Tommy Lynn Sells admitted to killing a 9-10 old boy in Indiana I think and the mom Julie (cant remember her last name) was jailed mainly due to the ex-husband (father of her son) testified and said things that werent true. The witness, Traupman, who on several occasions attempted to have his evidence recorded was severely manhandled out of the police station and so badly beaten, he had to be hospitalised. WebThe prosecution said Patricia wanted Jeromes $30,000 life insurance policy. Clearly, there are a lot of irrational people out there. After all, justice has been served in the eyes of the law, so why go on demonising her? Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was fined $2,000, while Mark admitted to misdemeanor fourth-degree From what Ive seen its pretty obvious Patricia did do that to this poor woman and the baby. They moved into her house in Salisbury County, staying together for about two years. But Im sure that was just a coincidence LOL. Andy did end up moving to Colorado with her and the last time I checked, they were still together. Instead, he hid for 12 years until the FBI found him in a relatives home in Denton County. Jerry Browns office. and there are probably many people who still think he is innocent too. According to the Charley Project, a missing persons database named after Charles Brewster Charley Ross, one of the first Americans kidnapped for a ransom in the nations history, Patricia Kopta went missing in June 1992 and was reported missing in November 1992. If you want to help her let her find peace by admitting her wrong and asking God for forgiveness. And the obvious answer is not as you claim. More than 20 years after her conviction, Patricia Rorrer still has advocates working to exonerate her. But it doesnt make a nonsense of her being the shooter, regardless of their speculation. (A good point. Irelands husband buried it in the yard because he didnt feel comfortable with a firearm inside, she said. Anyone who thinks this psycho isnt guilty needs to take off their tin hat. But I suppose you havent a clue about that. Prue is currently serving a life sentence with the eventual opportunity for parole. Those who knew Joann pointed out that she didnt like to drive in reverse and would have never parked that way. There is no justice for your loved ones when the wrong person is paying for the crime. Alfey liked to look at model homes, so they decided to stop by an open house that was located at 13810 Redberry St. in Moreno Valley, California. Sorry not sorry. She held up pictures of her dead daughters. Saphira Wolf forgive me, but I dont have the time, or wish, to respond to idiotic comments. The state police dropped him as a suspect. I was told they wanted to convict Lawrence Slaughter and not my sister.. The trial was taking so much of my time. I want to keep the tons of old jewelry but Im perplexed. Great communicator. Sorry, I must have missed your name on the witness list. You say by definition! Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. Her alibi about going to the club, called Cowboys Nitelife, got fuzzy when investigators discovered she hadnt signed the guest book on that day. She got 12 months of probation for shoplifting at a Walmart in Lexington, North Carolina. Yaser Said's ex-wife Patricia Owens gives victim statement after guilty verdict Mother of Sarah and Amina Said calls Yaser Said 'the devil' after a Dallas jury found him guilty. The first rule of a murder is motive. Relatives at the time told cops that Yaser threatened bodily harm against Sarah for going on a date with a non-Muslim. To prove it 110% rather than just 99% I dont know why they wouldnt retest the hair fibers etc. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. And its argued that it has been and dismissed as insignificant or irrelevant. All 3 of her alibis were lies, DNA tied her to the murder, there was no sexual assault, she had a violent past, was obsessed with Andy, and was caught lying about owning a gun, which coincidentally jammed after firing once and shell cases were found on her property. I was like OK, maybe she was tired, you know with a new baby. This woman killed and is where she belongs! The state made a case fueled by circumstantial evidence and public outrage over the deaths of a modern-day madonna and child. Dial-a-problem. The Charley Project offers details of the womans life before she went missing: She walked throughout the city, approaching strangers and telling them shed had a vision of the Virgin Mary and the world was about to end. They are total bs. Patricia and her defense team denied that allegation and said she owned her home, had no financial Family members found Joanns tan Toyota sitting vacant in the parking lot of McCartys, a nearby bar. The Prues were accused of luring Jenkins, a single mother, from her rural home and then strangling and beating her to death. One on one? According to a Morning Call account from March 5, 1998: McIntyre leaned forward conspiratorially like someone trying to persuade another to tell a secret, lowered his voice and said: Heres what I want to know: After you killed Joann Katrinak, did you kill that baby or just leave it to die?. Why? Its definitely getting rougher every day, Andrew told the Morning Call. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? Follow her on Twitter at www.twitter.com/LizMurraySMC. I want to know why no one has answered this question: if there was no root found on the hair clutched in Joanns hand how was the lab able to produce all those results that could not have been found without roots??? And even prosecutor Michael McIntyre, who wrote the book Hair Trigger about the case, acknowledged to Keith Morrison that it was a little odd that the police found blood on the hairs in Joanns car but nowhere else in the vehicle. Her diary certainly indicates some disturbed thinking. Ten months after Joann died he murdered another woman (who looks just like her) and her baby, as well. Its nothing short of a feeble stab hoping to impress but really amounts to splitting hairs, or to put it another way, hot air with no substance. According to Marsicovetere, state programs should be focused on intervening to help those with mental illnesses at the earliest point possible. Islam Said, Yasseins 32-year-old nephew, pleaded guilty to the same charges last month in connection with the effort to protect Yaser Said, 63, who had been a fugitive since 2008. "You deserve to die now, not in prison. Wow. Im trying to understand exactly your reasoning asking me staying away from this site because of my insulting remarks! Both wanted to be doctors. No way they laid there for 4 months!!!! Someone had shot Joann in the face with a .22-caliber pistol, then beaten her about the head hitting her 19 times in all with a blunt object. I am reliably informed they took SIX hours, not TWO as stated in my comment. Or the ME and the entomologist that explained how impossible it would be for that baby and mother to be out there for four months, deceased at that, and still be as intact as they were, and the fact that the baby was double the size of a three month old child. This article can also be seen at crimereport.com. Beautifully said Cliff! Patricia Prue to undergo 2nd competency exam, Your California Privacy Rights / Privacy Policy. Yaser Said was arrested Aug. 26 after authorities searched the Justin home. Or did they? When they were getting ready to drive away, a police car pulled up behind them and checked their car. Oh wait, sorry, you werent there. It was total shock. Locked up. There are innocent people in prison. Immediately after getting out of prison in the year 2000, Larry wrote a detailed letter stating that he lied about his sisters involvement in the death of her husband. More hairs there. Nine. no blood, no finger-prints and no soil evidence it was as if the car had been wiped clean stated the attending investigating police officer!That itself has to be considered highly suspicious and cast doubt on the hair evidence which WAS found. That woman has no soul. And, why is it reasonable to believe lay people accept the jury verdict? 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